Quality of Mind: Realising Exponential Potential.

Life as Feedback: How Desire and Relationship Reveal the Self

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ''Before Psychology'' - the Secret Source' that exponentially increases the peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation.
🧭 Episode Summary:
In this expansive and exploratory conversation, Piers joins Dr Amy Johnson on the Changeable Podcast show for a deep dive into the lived reality of the Quality of Mind and Before Psychology understanding. Showing how through every day life relationships, desires, discomforts, and even minor eye-roll moments—functions as a mirror showing us where self identity is still subtly hiding.
The episode explores how our desires and reactions are not random or personal but invitations to notice where we are still believing in a separate self. 
Life is a Mirror: Everything—especially your desires, discomforts, and relationships—acts as a mirror showing where identity is still subtly hiding.
Desire is Not the Problem: Desire becomes a compass. Clean wants flow naturally; unclean ones reveal where the self is trying to prop itself up.
Feeling vs Thinking: Much of what we call “feeling” is actually conceptualisation. Real transformation begins when we stop analysing and start sensing.
Real but Never True: All experience is real but not objectively true. When seen from this lens, experience becomes less personal and more revealing.
Subtlety is the New Frontier: As our aperture widens, we become more attuned to the micro-resistances and subtle patterns where identity still hides.
There Is No Separate Self: The shift isn’t in fixing yourself—it’s in seeing that what you think you are never existed in the way it seemed.
Practical Non-Duality: These insights aren’t just philosophical—they profoundly shift parenting, working, relating, and even cooking dinner.
The System Learns Naturally: You don’t have to figure this out. When you're no longer distracted, the system shows you exactly what you need to see.
🔎 For Listeners Who:
Sense there's more to life but are tired of trying to fix themselves to find it
Feel stuck in loops of self-improvement or subtle identity work
Want to bring more freedom, insight and presence to work, leadership, parenting, or any aspect of daily life
Are curious about non-duality and want to explore it in grounded, relatable ways
Feel stuck in loops of self-improvement or subtle identity work
Want to bring more freedom, insight and presence to parenting, work or daily life
Are noticing the limits of conceptual thinking and are ready to live more from the raw aliveness of the present
🧭 Mentioned in the Episode:
Silent Retreats: As a direct pointer to the parts of ourselves we habitually distract from
The Mirror Metaphor: A recurring theme—how life reflects our inner landscape back to us
“Clean” vs “Unclean” Desires: A practical tool for checking where we’re coming from
Parenting Examples: Real-life stories about identity, validation, and subtle control
Direct Inquiry: Practices like “Which ‘I’ is asking?” and “Can I find the one who is upset?”
The ‘Isness’ of Experience: A term used to describe the raw, pre-conceptual nature of life
The System’s Learning Extravaganza: Piers’ phrase for how insight unfolds naturally
Telepathy Tapes Podcast: Referenced as an example of unfiltered sensing without self-identification
Cold Showers as Practice: A visceral pointer to raw sensation vs conceptualised feeling
✉️ Connect and Learn More
You can find out more about Amy and her work here
Amy's most recent Book 'Just a Thought' (aka That's Just What Minds Do :) purchase and get a free chapter here 
A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more
TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind 
Check out our other podcast episodes, a curated list here
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of articles and post
 
 

Beyond Coping: Why Trying to Feel Better Keeps You Stuck

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ''Before Psychology'' - the Secret Source' that exponentially increases the peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation.
 
 
🧭 Episode Summary:
What if everything we’ve been taught about resilience and healing is upside down?
Piers chats with leadership coach and former lawyer Bill Giruzzi about the hidden architecture behind healing, resilience, and our capacity for wellbeing. They explore how society’s obsession with avoiding discomfort is not only unhelpful — it’s quietly costing us our aliveness, potential, and freedom.
Through Bill’s deeply personal story of debilitating anxiety and the profound insights that emerged on the other side, we unpack:
Why “getting rid of symptoms” isn’t the same as true wellbeing
How trying to manage or avoid uncomfortable feelings can keep us stuck
The real shift that dissolves suffering at its source (and why it’s not what you think)
Why the system is already built to heal — if we stop interfering
The modern misunderstanding of resilience in business and leadership
How our resistance to discomfort is often driven by a case of mistaken identity
This episode challenges the conventional view of performance, healing, and leadership — and invites a deeper, more liberating understanding of the mind that’s surprisingly simple, yet profoundly transformative.
💡 Key Takeaways:
The problem isn’t the feeling — it’s the resistance to it.
There’s nothing wrong with you. You’re not broken. You’re just believing something untrue.
True resilience comes not from building a thicker skin, but from seeing there’s nothing you need protection from.
Your wellbeing isn’t something you earn — it’s something you uncover.
🔎 For Listeners Who:
Are leaders, entrepreneurs, or coaches feeling worn down by chronic coping
Sense there must be more to life and leadership than managing stress and ticking boxes
Want to understand how to access a deeper, more sustainable version of wellbeing and freedom
Are open to looking in a direction that challenges everything they thought they knew about the mind
🧭 Mentioned in the Episode:
The myth of "fixing" yourself
Flow state, self-identification, and the illusion of control
Cold showers, toddlers, and the surprising route to emotional freedom
✉️ Connect and Learn More
📩 Email Bill📘 Bill's Book A Life Worth Living (Bill notes this reflects an earlier stage of his understanding)
A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more
TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind 
Check out our other podcast episodes, a curated list here
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of articles and post

What Could Make a Difference to Everything in the World?

From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast
Part of our new 'Not Even 5 Mins Series'
 
Ep 13:  'What Could Make a Difference to Everything in the World?'
A 3 min snippet from the episode ''Unlocking Human Evolution: The Potential AI Revolution in Coaching with Katrijn Van Oudheudsen 
Quality of Mind unlocks the Secret Source to more performance, peace and potential. But it does it in a very transformative, sustainable way, by explore 'Before Psychology'  - What is that, and does it help? Listen here
Please leave any feedback or comments on the podcast, and if you want to ask a question please do so here https://sayhi.chat/QoM - we'd love to hear from you!!
 
Curious - want to know more?
Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind  
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of posts
00:24 The Impact of Self-Identification
01:11 Understanding Awakening
01:34 The Nature of Resistance
02:30 The Concept of 'Isness'
03:13 Living Without Self-Identification

Unlocking Human Evolution: The Potential AI Revolution in Coaching

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ''Before Psychology''- the Secret Source' that exponentially increases the peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation.
 
In this episode, Piers discusses with show regular and fellow Quality of Mind collaborator Katrijn Van Oudheudsen  the transformative potential of AI in enhancing human productivity, peace, and potential. How AI can revolutionise coaching, particularly in Direct Inquiry, making it a powerful tool for understanding the concept of 'no self.'
 
The episode examines the potential of AI to democratize and accelerate the process of self-realization, offering unprecedented access to personal growth and collective harmony.
 
Key Discussion Takeaways
AI could be better than humans at coaching and awakening self-realisation
The illusion of the separate self is the root of suffering—AI helps break it down
AI coaching will become self-adjusting, engaging, and widely accessible
The transformation AI enables is not just personal—it has global implications
 
Key Chapters include:
 
00:49 Exploring AI's Potential in Coaching
02:49 Challenges and Opportunities of AI Coaching
05:03 AI & Direct Inquiry: A Perfect Match
07:10 Why Direct Inquiry Matters for Humanity
10:54 AI's Role in Awakening and Self-Realisation
11.10 The Evolution of Inquiry: From Gurus to AI
14:20 AI as the Ultimate Mirror for Self-Realisation
17:50 - AI’s Future in Transformational Coaching
20:00- Final Thoughts
 
Curious - want to know more?
You can find out more about Katrijn here  and on her website here 
A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more
TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind 
Check out our other podcast episodes, a curated list here
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of articles and post
 
 

Snippet: Going Beyond Sales Goals: Unconditional Freedom

From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast
Part of our 'Not Even 5 Mins Series'
 
Ep 12:  Going Beyond Sales Goals: Unconditional Freedom
A 3 min snippet from the episode ''From Selling to Serving:  The Power of Going Beyond Self'' with Sales Coach Nick Hall
Quality of Mind unlocks the Secret Source to more performance, peace and potential. But it does it in a very transformative, sustainable way, by explore 'Before Psychology'  - What is that, and does it help? Listen here
Please leave any feedback or comments on the podcast, and if you want to ask a question please do so here https://sayhi.chat/QoM - we'd love to hear from you!!
00:00 Selling vs. Serving
00:23 Challenges in a Sales Culture
01:22 Secrets to Truly Serving in Sales
02:19 Finding Unconditional Freedom in Sales 
03:38 Realising Inner Strength
 
Curious - want to know more?
Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind  
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of posts
 

From Selling to Serving: The Power of Going Beyond Self

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that can exponentially increase the performance, resourcefulness and well-being for any individual or organisation.
Unlocking Sales Success: The Power of Going Before the Self
Welcome to the Quality of Mind Transforming Business Podcast Series! In this episode, we have a thought-provoking conversation with Nick, a former enterprise tech salesperson turned coach. Over the past 12-18 months, Nick has flourished in coaching, helping salespeople and leaders balance high performance with peace of mind.
We delve into the art of sales and business development, discussing how understanding the nature of the mind and self can profoundly impact sales skills. We also discover Nick's transformative journey from facing anxiety and panic attacks in a high-pressure sales environment to finding true fulfilment.
Tune in to explore topics like committed and intentional sales versus attached and invested approaches, and the invaluable distinction between serving and selling.
Learn how you can become a better salesperson by recognising the freedom to experience any sensation without self-attachment.
Discover how to handle any sensation or feeling and realize their true identity as awareness itself, rather than a separate self, leading to greater freedom and effectiveness in their professional and personal lives.
Nick’s Journey: From high-pressure enterprise tech sales to transformative coaching
The Shift from External to Internal Success: What happens when success on the outside doesn’t align with inner wellbeing?
Selling vs. Serving: How a shift in perspective changes the sales experience for both the seller and the client
Freedom in Sales: The distinction between being committed and intentional versus attached and invested
The Fear of Fear: Why the real issue isn’t external circumstances but our perception of them
High Performance & Flow States: Understanding what gets in the way of performing at your best
Navigating Targets & Pressure: How sales professionals can stay in service mode even within high-pressure environments
The Power of Inquiry: The role of direct experience in discovering what is truly real
 
Curious - want to know more?
You can find out more about Nick here  and on his website here 
A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more
TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind 
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of articles and post

Snippett: Letting Go of Resistance...Is Not Compromising (2min)

From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast
Part of our 'Not Even 5 Mins Series'
 
Ep 12:  ''Letting Go of Resistance...Is Not Compromising"
A 2 min snippet from the episode ''The Business Advantage: The Secret Source to Flow & Ease with Emily Hawkins. Full Episode here 
Quality of Mind unlocks the Secret Source to more performance, peace and potential. But it does it in a very transformative, sustainable way, by explore 'Before Psychology'  - What is that, and does it help? Listen here
 
Please leave any feedback or comments on the podcast, and if you want to ask a question please do so here https://sayhi.chat/QoM - we'd love to hear from you!!
 
Curious - want to know more?
Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind  listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind  
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of posts

The Business Advantage: The Secret Source to Flow & Ease

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that can exponentially increase the performance, resourcefulness and well-being for any individual or organisation.
 
In this episode of the Quality of Mind Transforming Business Podcast, host Piers speaks with Emily Hawkins about the fundamental bases of achieving authentic business success. Emily shares her journey from the corporate world, emphasising the transition from relying on credentials to harnessing a more innate intelligence and resourcefulness. The conversation delves deep into exploring the significance of understanding one's true self, not only beyond our conditioning societal expectations but even before psychology. They discuss how dropping resistance to 'what is' and realising our innate, expansive nature can lead to genuine flow, creativity, and business success - revealing the secret sauce to thriving not just in business, but in life in general. 
 
 
03:45 The Secret Sauce to Success
10:03 The Case of Mistaken Identity
12:58 Flow and Authentic Leadership
15:50 The Essence of Self and Flow
26:34 Embracing Differences and Overcoming Resistance
30:44 Embracing Our Unique Gifts
31:46 Acceptance and Resistance
32:25 The Illusion of Self-Identification
40:51 The Concept of Aperture
44:58 The Secret Sauce of Self-Realization
46:00 Daily Practices for Awakening
52:38 Letting Go of Self-Identification
 
Curious - want to know more?
You can find out more about Emily here her work on her website here 
A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more
TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind  listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind 
Check out our other podcast episodes, a curated list here
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of articles and post
 

Snippet: The Unreliable Mind: Why You Can't Trust Your Thoughts

From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast
Part of our new 'Not Even 5 Mins Series'
 
Ep 11:  'The Unreliable Mind: Why You Can't Trust Your Thoughts''
A 3 min snippet from the episode ''The Potential Hiding in the Simplicity of Before Psychology. Exploring 'Extra-Ordinary' & Effortlessness'' with Dr Amy Johnson. Full Episode here 
Quality of Mind unlocks the Secret Source to more performance, peace and potential. But it does it in a very transformative, sustainable way, by explore 'Before Psychology'  - What is that, and does it help? Listen here
Please leave any feedback or comments on the podcast, and if you want to ask a question please do so here https://sayhi.chat/QoM - we'd love to hear from you!!
 
Curious - want to know more?
Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind  listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind  
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of posts

The Potential Hiding in the Simplicity of Before Psychology. Exploring 'Extra-Ordinary' & Effortlessness.

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that can exponentially increase the performance, resourcefulness and well-being for any individual or organisation.
In this exploration provoking episode, Piers Thurston and Dr. Amy Johnson explore the transformative concept of 'Before Psychology.' They discuss how recognising the base-level awareness that precedes thought and perception and feeling can unlock profound shifts in peace, performance, and human potential.
The conversation delves into the challenges of perceiving the ordinary, innate wisdom often overlooked. It emphasises detaching from any pre-learnt to experience a more direct and untainted inquiry into reality. The episode offers insights into achieving psychological freedom and fulfilment by realising an ever-present ordinariness rather than acquiring new techniques.  Debunking the myth of cause and effect
Amy is the author of 'The Little Book of Big Change', she is a regularly featured expert on The Steve Harvey Show, Oprah.com, as well as Fox News, The Wall Street Journal and Self magazine.
This is a relatively long episode, but it is all so very valuable - kick back and enjoy the exploration!  Please let us know what resonates
 
01:37 Exploring Coaching and Psychology
03:14 The Power of Subtle Understanding
04:25 Challenges in Communicating Abstract Concepts
05:31 The Role of Words and Understanding
07:46 Direct Inquiry and Self-Realization
13:25 The Essence of Effortlessness and Ordinariness
23:02 Recognizing Thought and Self-Identification
33:37 The Journey to Subtractive Understanding
40:34 The Illusion of Free Will
42:36 Questioning Cause and Effect
47:06 The Unreliable Mind
58:33 Practical Tips for Awareness
01:10:The Joy of Exploration
 
Curious - want to know more?
You can find out more about Amy and her work here Amy's most recent Book 'Just a Thought' (aka That's Just What Minds Do :) purchase and get a free chapter here 
A previous episode with Amy where we discuss why we both evoled to  up pointing our clients in this direction is here
A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more
TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here
For a more in depth looking into the nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind  listen here  or here
Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind 
Check out our other podcast episodes, a curated list here
Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind
Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of articles and post